BURR #49 is here, one away from the half century. Bit mad init.
Last week we got introduced to the very talented, lofi scumbag, saaaz. She sings, she DJs, she produces and she’s doing some serious numbers on Spotify . She had some great things to say about the perception of female producers as well, so definitely revisit that episode.
This week, we’re headed to Ipswich – the pride of East Anglia, about 10 miles from the mouth of the river Orwell – where two beloved artists reside – Rye Shabby and Forrest Moon, aka Soundspace Green.
We first interviewed Shabby way back in the early days of Offie Mag, for an iconic chat that kicked-off our 5 minutes with… series. As for Mr Moon, we’ve been bumping his production for a minute, so it was only right that we caught up with both of these Ippy residents at the same time.
Here they are then, the boys.
Alright chaps! Can you introduce yourself for anyone that might not know you?
F: Yes my G, I’m Forrest Moon, producer and one half of SSG.
R: And I’m Rye Shabby, the other half of Soundscape Green. And I’m a metaphorical wizard based in Ipswich.
How have you been getting on in the last few months with everything that’s been going on? Have you managed to stay creative?
F: There is an inside joke between my friends, ‘Lockdown has just been a normal few months for Forrest’. Back story; In 2018 I bought a Maschine, became infatuated with sampling and spent 2 years making beats from the moment I woke up to when I went to sleep. If I wasn’t making beats I was looking for samples vice versa. Two full external hard drives, An MPC Live and a vitamin D deficiency later (to anyone reading this, make sure to get your daily bit of sun) enabled me to continue to stay creative these past few months and essentially view what was a global crisis into another day at the office type vibe.
R: I have been working from home with my day job, which has caused a lot of agg. But we have managed to get in musically and push. At first, I linked Forrest on road and took the recording equipment off him to set up at mine as I just got a new laptop. But it all went Pete Tong, I couldn’t work out how to record myself and it sounded tinny. So I just waited until we could be in the same room together. I just write a fair bit, messed about trying to make beats and listened to a lot of jazz.
How long have you two been making tunes together?
F: Around late 2017, I’d just moved into a new flat, A friend invited Shabs to come through, a few beers later, he had fallen onto my TV. That’s what started all this. To this day we both have no idea how he didn’t break my TV. I guess LG make solids.
I think friendship is what makes the chemistry so natural, there are no egos attached when we work and I feel we are always trying to better each other as opposed to trying to outshine each other.Forest Moon on working with his mate, Rye Shabby
R: Yeah I’d say the same, around 2017. Although it seems like a life time haha. Yeah we would sit and drink litres of Strongbow when we had close to no money, them dirty £3.50 things. We would get two and just piece together bits that he had with what I had. It started becoming more creative and blossomed from there. I still look at his TV and wanna surf that shit again. I wasn’t allowed near anything and he made me sit in the corner when I was drunk like a naughty kid.
Why do you have such a good musical chemistry, what’s your favourite thing about each other?
F: I think friendship is what makes the chemistry so natural, there are no egos attached when we work and I feel we are always trying to better each other as opposed to trying to outshine each other. Also he trusts my ear which doesn’t confine me to making a specific sounding set of beats. I can really go outside the box, or for a more simplistic approach if I want. His ability to set scenes and general way with words is fascinating, bruv. I dunno how he does it. Oh yeah, his moon walking and 90’s B-boy moves, next time you see him,,just say ‘OI, Bryan (silent B) bust a move,’ it’s too jokes.
R: Of course the bond and the friendship is the gel between it all. But it is literally the trust between our creativity. I’ll hear him sampling something and I know what’s about to happen and can already picture what is about to take place. Then I begin writing. Most of what I write is accapella or to bits and bobs he’s playing over and over again whilst he’s making it. So it’s an odd way to make songs but it just works.
I’ve heard some unreleased bits from you two, can you tell the people what you have in store for them?
F: Brick Celly got them unreleased exclusives from the vault. I’ll let the cat out the bag, the leading weeks to the release of Esta we had finalised the beats and started recording For the SSG project which we are coming to the final stages of completion… The production on there in my personal opinion is some of the best set of beats I’ve done thus far and further highlights our individuality and sound. I might have to send you the google drive link to get an early preview.
R: For real, Brick got that new new blessed. Like Forrest said, the shit we have got coming next is really exciting. More cinematic sounds, real movie type shit. Some of the best lyrical stuff I’ve done too for sure. It’s called ‘The Year That Never Was’ and it’s a short EP. Then it’s a Soundscape Green album.
Do you think those in London have an advantage over those in towns when making music?
F: Yeah I’d agree with that for sure. The mentality of people in London helps greatly. I find that in a small town such as Ipswich, it’s easy to get judged personally opposed to musically. The song could be the listeners vibe and they’ll judge it based off you as a person, be that cos you grew up on the same street, your lifestyle choices, you go to the same offie etc
R: Do you know what it is yeah… London is just full of people on that wave and want to hear what you do or whatever because they’re involved in the same kind of thing. It’s a very open city, as compared to somewhere like here a lot of people are narrow minded and only used to one mainstream sound or whatever. So, I think that’s what it is. I wouldn’t say people from the city are generally more talented, cos there is trash everywhere. But I would say it’s more difficult to get involved in certain pockets or whatever scene you wanna be involved in if you’re from a smaller town.
For sure thick skin is needed. Because people aren’t used to hearing something what they see to be as so “different” or “underground” even down to the way we dress.Rye Shabby on living and creating in his hometown, Ipswich
What’s Ipswich like as a place to make music?
F: Thick skin is essential for making music in Ipswich, because it’s so small, you know one way or another people locally are gonna hear what you’re doing, with that being said this has always pushed me to not to be driven by a local scene and focus of expanding your horizons, make the music we want to make because you can’t please everyone and I’d rather please 1000 people out of Ipswich than 1 person from Ipswich. Same time tho the supporters in Ippy ride out for us and I appreciate each and every one of them.
R: For sure thick skin is needed. Because people aren’t used to hearing something what they see to be as so “different” or “underground” even down to the way we dress. But it is what it is, people round here are doing bits and shows are always a happening or trying to happen so it’s nice. I am also part of a collective called Wavey Times and it’s more Grimier sounding stuff, real talented spitters and producers there and we have something coming up.
Who else is making Hip Hop in Ipswich?
F: The Ipswich music scene is there but each person falls into their own niche or steers towards a more mainstream sound. Other than ourselves I haven’t heard a lot of ‘quote on quote hip hop’ from Ipswich in recent times, besides the obvious Ipswich veteran Booda French. Also DJ Madnice now lives here, I gave him a tour of the ends and some of Ipswich’s finer and not so finer things… so, he counts.
R: Of course there’s hip hop everywhere. But hip hop is such a large sounding genre now init. So it depends on the person and their tastes, each to their own init. But I fucks with my good pal Muckaniks of course, Booda, Seekah Lytess just to name a few man.
What’s your favourite Café in Ippy?
F: Central Canteen, catch me ordering a full English and a pot of tea with an orange juice on the side, for them 11am hungover Sundays when you want, but can’t quite bring yourself to smoke that zoot you rolled and left from the night before. Can never go wrong. Eggs are runny and the bacon is well done.
R: Jacks Cafe for me. Stayed in the room above a few times on benders, too. Great cafe, and shot a video there for ‘Hummingbird’ – lovely ladies but they were well camera shy.
Anything else you’d like to add, shout outs, thank yous, a quote from your favourite book, anything goes!
F: Firstly, salute to Brick Celly & Offie Mag, you lads stay smashing it, I need to cop one of them orange T-shirts if they aren’t all gone. Shouts out to the man behind the scenes and the reason me and Shabs have the equipment to record, the don Harry Moo. My brother A, Bryan (silent b), Uncle Swerve, Suffolk’s finest shooter KP Captures, Biccy, Khanaynay, Yorkshire tea, Lemon Ammi and most importantly Long Live Mills. In the words of Uncle Elroy from Next Friday: You feel me knocking..? Well let me innnnn.
R: A big shout out to my Ma, sister and my son, for saving my life. A big thank you to my girl Emily for being supportive through everything. To Uncle Verb for all he has done through this whirlwind of a career. And KP for being a donny with the camera and putting up with my drunken poses. No quotes from books but I have a quote from a poem from John Cooper Clarke:
“Sunken yachtsmen, Sinking yards, Drunken Scotsmen, Drinking hard, Every lunatic and his friend, I mustn’t go down to the sea again”
Imma go to the Offie real quick, can I get you anything?
F: My G. A pack of raws and a can of Rio, ask boss man if the meter is working and if so grab me £10 leccy and I’ll stick the kettle on for when you’re back, safe lads x
R: A 4 pack of any strong lager and one of them dead crusty sandwiches which I’ll give to Forrest cos he will eat ANYTHING.